02 September 2009

Chapter 13 - Separation for Unsatisfactory Performance

1. WHAT IS THE BASIS FOR A CHAPTER 13? A soldier may be separated per this chapter when it is determined that he or she is unqualified for further military service because of unsatisfactory performance (i.e. PT Test Failure, Weapon Qualification Failure, Poor job performance, and etc.)

Action will be taken to separate a member when it is clearly established that.

a. Despite attempts to rehabilitate or develop him or her as a satisfactory soldier, further effort is unlikely to succeed.

b. The retention of the soldier could have adverse actions towards the military.

c. Potential for advancement or leadership is unlikely.

d. It is likely that the circumstances forming the basis for separation will continue.

2. WHAT MUST THE COMMAND DO BEFORE THEY CAN INITIATE A CHAPTER 13 FOR UNSATISFACTORY PERFORMANCE? The following must take place, unless waived under special circumstances.

a. The soldier must be formally counseled in writing at least once prior to initiation of the chapter action, and this counseling must include:

1. The reason for the chapter action.

2. The fact that separation action may be initiated if the behavior continues.

3. The type of discharge that could result from the possible separation action and the effect of each type.

4. The soldier should be given a reasonable time to correct the deficiencies) Para. 1-18b, AR 635-200).

3. PROCEDURES. The unit commander forwards the packet to the intermediate commander, who can either disapprove the unit commander's discharge request and direct reassignment, or forward the packet recommending approval. If a soldier has six or more years in the service, the approving authority can convene a board of officers and enlisted to hear the case and make recommendations on retention and type of discharge.  The approval authority has the discretion to suspend the discharge for up to six months to give the soldier a chance to rehabilitate himself/herself. Accrued leave at time of discharge is governed by AR 630-5. 

4. WHAT ARE YOUR RIGHTS?

a. You have the right to consult with consulting counsel within a reasonable time, or civilian counsel at your own expense.

b. You have a right to submit statements on your own behalf.

c. You have a right to obtain copies of documents which your commander will forward in support of his separation recommendation.

d. If you have six or more years in the active service you have a right to an Administrative separation Board.

e. You have a right to waive the above rights in writing. Failure to respond in seven days (not signing the form) means you give up all your rights.

5. TYPE OF DISCHARGE. Members separated under this program will normally be given either an Honorable or a General Under Honorable Conditions Discharge Certificate (Para 13-10, AR 635-200)

a. Honorable: An honorable discharge will be given for proper military behavior and proficient performance of duty. If the soldier has served faithfully and performed to the best of his ability, and there is no derogatory information in his military record, he should receive an honorable discharge. If there are infractions of discipline, the seriousness and frequency will be evaluated. When there is a doubt, it should be resolved in favor of the honorable discharge. It is the pattern of behavior, not the isolated incident, that is important.

b. General: This is a discharge of separation under honorable conditions. A general discharge is given to a soldier whose record and performance is satisfactory. This is usually given to someone who had frequent non-judicial punishments but not for serious infractions. when this type of discharge is issued, the commander must state the specific basis for it.

6. EFFECT OF DIFFERENT KINDS OF DISCHARGES. At the present time, the only people eligible for educational benefits are those that are issued an Honorable Discharge Certificate and that serve on Active duty for a specified amount of time. For other veteran's benefits and programs, the military gives the same entitlements for both an honorable discharge and a general discharge under honorable conditions. With either discharge, veteran's benefits depend on the length of service and other factors.  The eligibility for all other benefits are to be determined by the agency assigned to oversee such prejudice in the civilian world benefits. There may be some psychological prejudice in the civilian world against people with anything other than an honorable discharge certificate; no definite statement can be made about this factor.

7. UPGRADING THE DISCHARGE: The discharge is NOT automatically upgraded. You may apply to the Army Discharge Review Board in an attempt to upgrade your separation. The process for this will be covered in a separate posting.

8. TIMING OF SEPARATION: You will be separated as soon as possible. Note: Any misconduct committed after discharge is approved, but before separation (approximately 10 working days after approval by the separation authority), can still be prosecuted.

9. HOW TO FIGHT BACK IF YOU DID NOT WANT THE DISCHARGE OR IF YOU WANT AN HONORABLE INSTEAD OF A GENERAL DISCHARGE; The main way of opposing the discharge is with statements. You may also request a personal interview with the separation authority, but he does not have to grant you one. You can submit a statement that you write yourself, stating your side of the negative information that your commander has compiled, and respectfully stating why you want to stay in the Army or why you believe you should be given an honorable discharge. If you have requested a reassignment and been denied it, you should mention this too. You should include a positive statement about the Army.

Statements from supervisors and co-workers are also vary important. If you are opposing the discharge, statements should address the negative items in your packet, and address the areas covered in paragraph 1, the basis for the action. The statements should specifically and directly comment on whether these factors are true of you. Hopefully, the supervisors will also recommend that you be retained on active duty or that you receive an honorable discharge if you are separated from the service. You should keep copies of all such letters you get because you can use them in an attempt to have your discharge ungraded, if necessary

If you are seeking an honorable discharge, the statements should specifically and directly comment on the factors listed in paragraph 5 regarding “types of discharges.” Also include copies of any good certificates, letters or awards. If your discharge is approved and you still wish to stay in the Army, you should write a letter to the Separation Authority requesting that the execution of the discharge be suspended for six (6) months so that you can prove your ability and commitment to soldier back into the Army.

91 comments:

  1. This is by far the best information I have read since getting a separation notice and exactly what I was looking for. I did not need an explanation of the discharge I needed to know what to do to remain a soldier as my intent is to continue serving my country. Thank you for the great explanations and information!

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  2. Excellent article, but needs to be expanded a bit. I received my Chapter 13 Discharge in 1987, and initially was scheduled to receive an "Other Than Honorable" discharge. A CAREFUL examination of Chapter 13 UCMJ revealed that, since I had been in over 180 days, the "Honorable" discarge was warranted. It is VERY common for service members to get "screwed" on GI Bill issues. For example, if you make ALL the $100 per month payments and have been in over 180 days, you ARE eligible to receive your educational benefits and bonuses...except, no service member is ever told this until AFTER the paperwork is signed.

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    1. Where exactly in Chapter 13 does it say you are eligible for GI Bill after 180 days? I only found that you are eligible for honorary dis. or general discharge (assuming you are only discharged because of unsatisfactory performance). Does an hon dis. or gen. dis. allow for full benefits assuming you have at least 180 days (have achieved the rank of spc)?

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    2. You are only eligible for MGIBILL/Post 9/11 benefits if your Characterization of Service is marked: Honorable (NO EXCEPTIONS) the amount of benefits you receive depends on how many years you completed and if you complete your first full term. Anything less than honorable is unqualified.

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  3. thank you now i can *stick it* right back to the man.

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  4. I was discharged under Chapter 13 with an Honorable Discharge yet it was DADT based. Can I now receive any benefits? (college program, housing or medical) although I spent less than a year in service?

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  5. why would the intermediate commander disaprove

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  6. can they still dischage you if you have shown inprovement, but still failed?

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    1. Yes, they can technically discharge you even when you show improvement. But it's generally considered bad taste and makes your chain of command look bad if they do, so they generally keep you on until you pass or stop improving. GENERALLY.

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    2. Can they still discharge you if you were injured prior to the second APFT and did not get medical test results back?

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    3. If you were injured prior to the second APFT, you should have a valid medical profile which would exempt you from an APFT for the length of the profile plus twice the length of the profile not to exceed 90 days. If you do not have a profile, you can be administered an APFT.

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  7. What happens if you are being refused your documents?

    c. You have a right to obtain copies of documents which your commander will forward in support of his separation recommendation.

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  8. I am in the process of this chapter and I started a med board before the chapter. I was on the weight control program and I didn't get taped last month and I want to know is it necessary or legal for them to tape me now even though I'm in the process of getting out?

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    1. even if you are getting MEBed you still have to maintain the standards, adverse action can make the MEB null and void. Chapter 13 included.

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  9. I had no behavorial problems and no article 15's on my record and I got a general discharge (under honorable conditions). Is there another reason I may have not gotten the Honorable discharge, and how likely I can get it upgraded to an Honorable discharge. I want to become a Law Enforcement Officer and believe that this will hold me back.

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  10. Im getting chapter for apft failure. No article 15 's.. My 3 year mark would hit october and the paper hasn't gotten to legal yet. Will I be able to still have time to make it to my 3 year mark with everything.

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  11. So if you have no negative counseling, no ar-15s, and nothing negative in your record, served almost a year(10 months) you should receive a honorable discharge? Is there any other reason you may receive a under honorable conditions discharge. Or only if you have negative things in your record? And if I did receive a honorable discharge could I still get GI benefits.

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    1. IF you indeed recieve an honorable discharge after 10 months of service...you will get a small percentage of your GI bill benefits something like 40%

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  12. my command recently started this chapter, when wouldi request a copy of the paperwork(haven't sat down with my commander yet) and is the authority at comapny or battalion officer?

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  13. I recently received this chapter with an honorable discharge..is there any possible way that I could ever join the Army again? USAR at least? Note: Was discharged for consecutive APFT failures, not overweight or any thing else like that. Any information would be helpful. Thanks.

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    1. Yes, you can go to an Army recruiter after 1 year. You should have no problem unless the Army stops taking prior service due to the drawdown of troops.

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    2. how many days did it take before you get out? i already done with my physical phase 2 and acap last monday jan28, what is next step? they are telling me that i am gonna be out in 2weeks is that possible? email me at mikedeguzman913@yahoo.com

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    3. did you get a answer to this question,

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    4. did anyone give you a answer to this question

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    5. USAREC is no longer accepting prior service applicants at all, let alone anyone who was chaptered. It never hurts to see a recruiter anyway as things change all the time, but it's pretty doubtful.

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  14. You con join again as long as you can ovecome your RE code in your DD214 long form. For example if you get out for being crazy it will be RE3 or RE4 and that tells the recruiter that you cant come back in. If you just ETS it will be RE1. If its from being overweight it may be RE2 with a code like MBK. If its for pt failure and you pass a pt test you should be able to get back in. Also note that there is alot more to Prior svs guys rejoining. Expect that if you are E5 or above to loose rank or simply be told no because there are no slots for you in your job open. Also dont expect recruiters to treat you like a first time aplicant. The Army considers you an "other" you are worth nothing to the recruiter. You will also be alot more work for them than a high school kid. Dont expect any extras like cash station of choice anything! Consider yourself lucky to get back in.

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    1. That information is incorrect. Prior service applicants of any kind are not being allowed to come back in. It's been that way for more than a year now.

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  15. i got a article 15 over a year ago is there any possible way i can still get an honorable discharge im about to hit my 3 year mark in june

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  16. I am recommended for a chapter 13 for failing 1 PT test but i know guys who haven't passed since 2009..what can I do to stay it and fight it

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    1. You shouldn't be recommended for only failing 1 pt test. You have to fail 2 consecutive pt tests to be recommended for a Chapter 13. Now your Chain of Command should have put you on Remedial PT and deny any passes or leave until you have passed and can meet the standard consecutively. If they are recommending you for 1 PT test they won't be able to process that separation it isn't legal.

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    2. Cannot deny leave as that is a right. They can in fact deny passes.

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    3. Ordinary Leave is a right not a privilege.
      it is earned not given.

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  17. I am getting chapter 13 discharge. After my first reading my commander recomended honorable discharge. From there I went to TDS and waived my rights to fight the chapter. Now at transition today I open my packet and noticed the squadron commander recommended general, under honorable conditions. Is there anything I can do to fight this?

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  18. im currently active duty with 2 years and 2 months I failed to pass my second pt test, i have no disicpline in my record and am being told im looking at the end of april to be out..what type of discharge am i looking at and will i ever be able to go reserve or is this it for any type of militay career. I was hoping to go law enforcement will this effect it and do i lose all military benfits..can you email me this answer...barelajanet@aol.com

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    1. so what was the answer?????

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  19. Im getting a discharge for not passing 2 pts tests. I was wondering if i will be able to go reserves or will this be the end of my military career. I have no discpline, have followed all the rules and reg required of me, and what is normally the discharge, if honorable do i have to tell future employers it is a chapter 13

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  20. I'm headed to Washington to fight my percent rate that I got of 20%. I want to stay in and continue my service. Will recommendations letters from my CSM help me? Also, will I get in trouble taking a diagnostic APFT,I want to show the board that I'm still fit to stay in. Is there a site on how the layout for a recommendation letter for the meb

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  21. Thank you for this information. It'll help me greatly.

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  22. im am starting a chapter 13 discharge for failing in my PMOS after 7 yrs and I was wondering if I get Sep. Pay and my GI bill if its a HON. discharge

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    1. If your Chapter is approved as Honorable, you WILL receive your MGIB. However, Chapter 13 does not qualify for separation pay even with over 6 years of service.

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    2. chapter 13 is not the final say as to if you receive severance pay or not.
      it is the type of chapter. honorable or dishonorable.

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    3. Question
      I am being chapter for revolk clearance under CHPT 13 honerable
      After the fact my CDM did not sign my update security Clearance paper work or acknowledge it.
      MY MOS required a Security Clearance but ITS beening phase out. I had resubmit a new Clearance thru other channel also thats all in packet. With new regulation is thier chance for me finish my last 3 years out of 16 1/2 years

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  23. I'm currently under a possible chapter 13 I have over 5 years in service for failed pt test...and I'm trying to get check out for ashma if the chapter is started and I get on profile for it will it hold my chapter until the results come back

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  24. I was separeted in 1973 with a chapter 13..Under other than horable condition.My only two crime was been in the hospital most of my time and been Puertorican. I was able to went to the University and become an educational psychologist and I didn't need the G.I bill to get my degree.

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  25. Is there any way to request a ch.13? I've been a PT failure for 2 years (coming up on my 4 year in the guard) and failed 2 consecutive tests while on title 10 orders last year. On the civi side I've been offered a contracting job that pays 4 times what the army does, but they won't take me because I'm still in. My unit is just hanging onto me to keep numbers, but I've got no intention to re-up anyway. I even have paperwork from when I was on mission saying that they had intent to separate, but now that they know I want out my unit is acting like it never happened.

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  26. My son is curently in the army, he has been in for two years and 18 weeks on a 3 year 18 week enlistment, he failed his last two pt test. The first one was a 2 min fail the second one was a 10 sec fail. He went thru medical saw the commander and went to legal to be informed of his benifits. He has not signed any paper work, was told that he could not do pt with his unit but continues to work out on his own. He has no writes up, showed up late once for moring role call and no other discpline. My question is with only one year to go how does this process work, and how long will it take to go thru. Being in limbo has been extremly stressful. Will he be able to join any other military services...I could really use a answer...please

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  27. I've been in the army for three and a half years.. I've deployed to Afghanistan for a year and I'm currently at my second duty station.. I don't usually go to sick call but ever since Afghanistan I've been having problems with my lower back.. And I feel that now if I fail a pt test I will be kicked out.. Is it possible that I can still receive an honorable discharge instead of a general discharge?? I've never been in any trouble since I joined the army.. I don't know what to do...

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    1. Go to sickcall and have your back checked out. If they just try to throw meds at you like they always do, continue to go whenever it bothers you. They should do tests and determine the cause. If running, situps, or pushups aggravate the issue, they should issue a profile. If the problem can not be solved they should issue a permanent profile which will allow you to do alternate events in pt tests.

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  28. listen in march 2013 they balanced the budget the next day goverment started booting soliders out. thats how they balanced the budget. the goverment cut 100,000. & looking to cut 60,000 more but still bringing on young new soliders after they graduate from highschool why there cheaper to pay. happened to my family.

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    1. The Army is not 'booting Soldiers out' to balance the budget. We are simply enforcing standards that have been there all along. The ARs are very clear, especially regarding APFT failures. If it makes you feel better to label youself a victim, go right ahead.

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    2. this is such BS standards discipline lol the entire leadership is a joke anywhere in the ARMY

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    3. You are absolutely right! Some of the ones doing the booting are true criminals and steal from the Army every day.

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  29. I've been in the reserves for nearly 3 years. I deployed to Afghanistan exactly 1 year after I graduated basic. I never missed a drill, have never been late to a formation, never got a negative counseling, never any Article 15s, and I always stay out of trouble, and work my ass off. I got an honorable discharge from Afghanistan and came back to the reserves to a new commander and acting first sergeant. My first drill back, I was given a diagnostic, which I failed. The commander afterwards crossed out "diagnostic," wrote in "record," then sent a chapter 13 packet up for record PT failure. My discharge type was never mentioned in a counseling statement, but only the fact that one more failure, and I'll be separated, and I'm pretty sure they're trying to give me a general discharge, and this seems like it will be really hard to fight to get honorable. Now, there's a group of 5 of us (all E-4 and below) who are getting this discharge, when really about 15+ failed multiple times, all lower enlisted except for one officer. But the commander refuses to get rid of the others because he likes them on a personal level. And just FYI, my leaders never tried to connect with us. I've seen my commander and acting first sergeant in the flesh twice, both times for less than a minute, just for when they chew us out as a group.

    Anyway, this article was written some time ago. If any of you read this, and are experiencing anything similar, any tips? Like for IG and what-not? Also My veteran status should get me partial Post 911 GI Bill coverage, and would a general discharge in some way counteract an active duty honorable discharge? I know all my buddies who are vets get treated very poorly by the VA.

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  30. can my son get back into the military after receiving a chapter 13 for pt failure he did get a honorable discharge and served two years and twenty weeks of a three year eighteen week enlistment and how long does he have to wait to try again and does he have to go back to basic

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    1. From what I understand, yes he can enlist again but must pass a PT test when going back in. There is also a 1 year wait and no, he doesn't need to go back to basic.

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    2. Incorrect--the Army is no longer accepting prior service Soldiers at all, let alone those who were chaptered (ie, 'waivers'). Contact a local recruiter for accurate, up to date information since they're the ones who would actually be putting your son back in if he happened to be qualified.

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    3. This is getting tiresome reading this comment above. Reply one is correct to an extent. Yes, currently prior service is not being excepted but that doesnt mean by time one year has elapsed that he won't be able to re enlist. Recruiters requirements change constantly. Current outlook though is grim with all the cuts.

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  31. i have a female soldier who has barely been on active duty for two years..she has taken four pt tests in four months...and failed every single one of them...now that the chain of command has initiated a chapter 13 for apft failure she tells me she thinks she is pregnant (at least 2 months)..now my question for anyone who might be able to help is will those pt tests count against her and can the chain of command follow through with the apft chapter or is she succeeding at playing the system?

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    1. Absolutely, as long as the substandard duty performance is not caused solely by pregnancy.

      On another question ... why was she taking an APFT each month? She has 90 days between record APFTs. Did she make a decision to forgo the waiting period (preferably in writing)? Most don't unless you have a good PT performer that happened to have a really bad day for some reason.

      Arguably she could claim that the pregnancy had an impact on her next 'real' failure (lets assume she took and failed it in March. The next record APFT should have been in June at which point (if I have your comments correct), she was at least 1 month pregnant already.

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  32. My name is Kevin I just recently failed my second record apft, I was flagged and bared. I been in the army for 3yrs I deployed to Afghanistan 2012-2013, I reenlisted down range so I guess that makes a midterm soldier my 1SGT informed me today they started a chapter 13 and I am to start acap. I would like to know if I would receive a honorable discharge are a general and would I also receive my education benifits. Also I was told I could be out in as little as 30 days what is the usually time frame.
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    1. It depends entirely on the chain of command. Garrison or Division Commanders are the final deciding authority but most of them issue general discharges for APFT failire. The time frame again depends on the chain of command but averages 3-4 months from start to finish.

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  33. I was in the service for about 5 years and was chapter 13 with an honorable discharge in Dec of 2009 and now i am trying to get into the Reserves but they are saying that they are not giving administrative waivers for performance. What can I do to get them to grant me a waiver?

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    1. Nothing. Neither RC or AD are currently accepting PS applicants, especially those requiring waivers.

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  34. My boyfriend failed a tape test in April. He was put on the weight control program and in June was taken off the program because he had lost ten lbs. Last week he was taped again and was a half inch over. Today, he was taped and an inch over but had maintained the original ten pound weight loss plus five more pounds. He also failed his pt test run by one minute today. (I would assume because he crash diet all week). He is Reserves at DLI but that's not his home unit. He graduates DLI in three weeks. All his 1Sg at DLI said was they need to talk to the Reserves liaison. What will happen?

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    1. If it was one apft and two tape tests, I would advise this. First work with him to get in shape to pass the apft. He still has one more shot before chapter 13 can be initiated. Second, multiple tape failures falls under chapter 18 as long as he continues to pass his apft.

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  35. What if you were never read your chapter 13 but they are pushing you to complete your phase 2?

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  36. My son is currently waiting for JFX-Ch.5-13 Honorable Discharge on grounds of Personality Disorder. How will it affect him in the future? Has 8 mos in Army so he has been told that he will not get VA benefits. I wondered about GI bill. He's been told that he will not be able to work in government. Is that true? Local level? What are long term ramifications? Thanks!

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  37. I broke my right hand 4th and 5th Metacarpel. Attempted to qualify with M16 and no luck twice. My hand hurts and stiffness does not help.

    Would I be chapter out? I have a permanent profile but I am a GO on carry and fire individual weapon. Should I revisit my med board doctor.

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  38. I want to know if you get a honorable discharge under chapter 13 do you still get your 180 days of health insurance.

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    1. Your tricare office can give you an accurate answer specific to your set of circumstances. On the surface it would appear that you qualify for TAMP Transitional Assistance Management Program that provides 180 days of transitional health care benefits for you and your family even if you are involuntarily discharged.

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  39. I am getting chaptered out the army for a Chapter 13 for failing my last two pt test. I have 2 years left in the army. I want to know what happens to the years that I have left, will I have to pay the army for them or will they be deleted?

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    1. No. Your separation date is adjusted to the date of discharge. You will only have to pay the government if they chose to recoup bonuses that were paid out at the time of your enlistment. This usually happens to those who elected a lump sum.

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    2. Similar situation. I am getting out on a Chapter 13. I have a job lined up with a Contractor overseas making more
      Money. I have completed my phase 2 and behavioral health. What is the next step in this process and how long does it usually take. They told me about 2weeks. Is that about accurate?

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  40. I have currently failed the APFT my commander gave me 3 pt test back to back every month and started my chapter paperwork, I have completed my acap and phase 2 appointments whats next? I was told that if I were to get another APFT it would have to come from my battalion commander. Can anyone tell me how long til I can get that chance to talk to the BC or how long til I get out? I know its dumb to say now but I dont want to get kicked out. What can I say, I realize too late I guess. I just want some answers someone reply and help me on what I should do. Please. Thanks.

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    1. I am currently in the same situation any information would be great you can reach me here at Roboboi3000@gmail.com
      plz i do not wish to be chaptered out I am already trying to schedule a meeting with the BC and, I have a petition signed by my platoon to back me up on my behalf and have a few written statements from my co-workers any other help would be great

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  41. okay I was separated from the New Mexico on Nov 25,2013 for unsatisfactory performance (missing dril). however I have emails from the 1SG and unit readness stating that I was in the ING. Also they sent my 3 three letters to the wrong address. I have email saying that I was done change last November from the 1SG and Unit Readiness. the address was never changed. should I still have been discharge from the guard as a Unsatisfactory participant

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  42. I was just recently separated from the National Guard on 11/25/2013 for unsatisfactory participations. However last November I change my address and have emails saying that It was done from the 1sg and unit readiness. In February I received and Email from the 1SG/Unit Readiness stating that I was place in the inactive national guard and would have to attend drill only once a year. They sent my three letters of absent to the wrong address and same with my discharge paperwork. Should I have been separated from the National Guard as an Unsatisfactory Participant?

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    1. If you dont mind me asking what happened? Im getting kicked out for the same reason all ready had my counseling statement done...I decided to stay out because they dropped me from Sgt to pvt. And I haven't heard from my unit at all.

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  43. I have been in the army for 12 years and my unit is trying to chapter me out for a second pt failure. ive asked my command for a retake on a pt test but they are refusing to give me one. I know for a fact that there is other soldiers in my brigade that have failed more than 2 record pt tests in a row but they are still in. I have a family to provide for and I know that if given another chance I could pass. Can someone help me ?

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  44. I have 11 years active duty service with an honorable discharge. I am currently in the national guard facing a discharge for failing a UA. How will this affect me and my benefits?

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  45. Today, my platoon sergeant called to inform me that I may be getting a chapter 13 for PT. I failed multiple PT tests, but never had any judicial or non-judicial punishments. My only negative counselings were for my PT fails. Can anybody answer these questions:

    1. Will I get an honorable or general discharge under honorable conditions? I read the regulation, but there is a lot of room for interpretation. I researched a lot, and it seems I'll most likely get honorable, but to be honest, I don't think I deserve it.

    2. As a drilling reservist with a previous honorable discharge from active duty, will I lose my Post 9/11 GI Bill that I am currently using for college? I know reservists don't get DD214's, so I'm guessing the answer is I'll keep it.

    Hope somebody can help. Thanks!

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  46. Been in the army 3 years..deployed to Afghanistan 2012-2013..im at my second duty station n I failed my first pt test on the run..I have only ever failed one besides this one..in both occassions I was not at 100% at my old unit I had just got off from being sick..this time I had just got off profile from my knee n the next day was a pt test...I was given a second chance but I messed up on sit ups which was a surprise to me cuz I usually ace those but luckily the Sergeant made it a diagnostic...so ive been working out n pt wit my section has been heavy..my knee has been acting up again but my section is constantly running 5 miles on rough terrain every day my knees get no breaks n my pt test is coming up soon..Im planning on goin to get a profile for the week before to give them a break to heal...

    Now at this juncture im not so army friendly due to other stuff thats happen to me ova the course of my career that though im goin to try my best at the pt test..if I fail im not goin to be mad about it either...only thing I want to kno is if I fail again n get put up for chapter 13..will I get honorable n retain my education benefits. ..served 3 years...I have 1 company article 15 wen I was in AIT for alcohol in my barracks in which even my Sergeants understood was just me being lazy cuz I nvr drank in my room but I had bottles in my backpack that I forgot from my 23rd bday n they were found in my room..I nvr recieved a counseling from my first unit for my first pt failure..n since ive arrived in my new unit ive only recieved 1 negative counseling for missing formation but my Sergeant knows I was only late becuz a soldier I was in charge of overslept due to his narcolepsy n he was taking forever n my first lines know he has a bad habit of being slow (he is possibly gettin reviewed for being med boarded until a full diagnosis is presented) other than those at both my units I excel at my job n at both units Im very well thought of as a good worker..soo with all those factors being that I only been in my nee unit for 5 months..my last unit really doesnt have any paperwork on me besides my 3 awards one to include good conduct medal..if I cannot pass..would a honorable be something I can get if you were in the seat to do so..

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  47. Question been in for 8 years now have been going through multiple medical screenings to include pulmonary and diabetes testing are just an example of the two testing I have been dealing with. I failed my first APFT which is the first time that has ever happened to me seeing I normally get 280's and above. Being deployed 3 times im sure many people would say as an Infantryman it takes a toll on your body. Last week I took a APFT again and passed. My 1SG said I could use it towards a record APFT and not a diagnostic if they wanted to but they chose not to. Now for some freak reason if I fail this coming up APFT what type of discharge would I receive? I have never received any Article 15's my NCOER's have all stated promote ahead of peers as well as multiple 1 over 1 and 1 over 2 (first two NCOER's).

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  48. Can you upgrade an unsatisfactory participation if i had extenuating circumstances?? or possibly change a RE-3 code to RE-1 so i can re enlistment and actually serve? Is there any probability of this happening?

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  49. I just want to know how long it takes to process an article 13??

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  50. So I've been inn for a little over a year and a half. I have a diagnostic or test Tom that I know I'm going to fail I just got off a 30 day profile and if I pass it's record if I fail it's diagnostic...honestly I've been on a detail where we don't get to do much pt at all and also have 4 kids so it's pretty hard for me to actually do or on my own time because in have none so I was just wondering what could be done because I'm honestly still on recovery time and I don't want 5o be put out of the army on a bad note I have 5o much to lose to do that

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  51. how long do this process takes

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  52. Can someone sell back leave under ch 13? Because I have 60 days of leave and I've been looking for an answer for a few days now.

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  53. any information on how to get this lifted or suspended will be greatly appreciated you can send all help to
    Roboboi3000@gmail.com

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  54. I am being chaptered out for pt failure and have been in over 11 years, am I entitled to any severance pay?

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